The market read the November 6 decline in memory stocks as the price-increase cycle peaking. With November revenue for Taiwan stocks due to be published on December 10, if Phison Electronics (8299) and ADATA (3260) still show double-digit year-on-year growth, does that count as the "peaking" thesis being overturned?
- Apacer 51.25% to 40.08%, -11.17 percentage points, revenue -11.3% quarter-on-quarter.
- Memory stocks fell 17% to 30%.
- Winbond went from 66.25% to 70.57%, +4.32 percentage points.
- Phison closed at 1500 yuan, down 3.85%, falling slightly less than the broader market
- If ADATA falls 20% quarter-on-quarter, year-on-year is still +144%.
The market read the November 6 decline in memory stocks as the price-increase cycle peaking. With November revenue for Taiwan stocks due to be published on December 10, if Phison Electronics (8299) and ADATA (3260) still show double-digit year-on-year growth, does that count as the "peaking" thesis being overturned?
市场把11月6日存储股的下跌读成涨价周期见顶。12月10日台股11月营收公布,群联电子(8299)、威刚(3260)如果同比还在两位数增长,这个「见顶」算不算被推翻?
The desk answersverifiedWalnut, from public filings
Not a reversal. The threshold for this test is more than thirty times lower than the two companies' current growth rates; whether it passes or fails carries no information.
What actually deserves attention has already been given by the Q3 reports: module makers' gross margins turned down across the board in the third quarter, while revenue is still hitting new highs. Year-on-year revenue is the last indicator to turn, not the first.
On November 6, memory did not lead the decline
First look at the actual trading that day. The weighted index closed at 39701.64, down 4.51%. Phison closed at 1500 yuan, down 3.85%, falling slightly less than the broader market; ADATA closed at 299.5 yuan, unchanged.
Only the wafer side fell more than the broader market: Nanya Technology -4.58%, Winbond -5.49%, also only about a point more.
The real selloff happened on November 3 and 5. Phison fell 9.87% and 8.77% on those two days, while the broader market fell 3.59% and 3.20% on the same days.
| 2026-11-06 | Close | Same day | Since 10/28 |
|---|---|---|---|
| Weighted index | 39701.64 | (4.51) | (15.59) |
| Phison 8299 | 1500 | (3.85) | (26.47) |
| ADATA 3260 | 299.5 | 0.00 | (17.61) |
| Nanya Technology 2408 | 343.5 | (4.58) | (27.99) |
| Winbond Electronics 2344 | 120.5 | (5.49) | (29.94) |
Over seven trading days, the weighted index fell from 47035.58 to 39701.64, down 15.59%; memory stocks fell 17% to 30%. This is the asset that rose the most in the first half falling more in a broader market pullback—normal amplification, not a memory-specific pricing move.
Reading this stretch as "the price-up cycle has peaked" is booking the broader market's losses to memory.
The double-digit growth threshold is so low it has no testing power
October revenue was reported on November 6 and 7; no need to wait until December. Phison's 315.30 yi hit a new high; ADATA's 170.63 yi is still below August's 189.25 yi.
Phison's November revenue last year was 70.22 yi; this October it was 315.30 yi. To keep year-on-year +10% in November, it only needs to do 77.24 yi—a 75.5% drop from October.
ADATA's November last year was 55.98 yi; this October it was 170.63 yi. To keep +10% it only needs 61.58 yi, a 63.9% drop from October.
| Company | Last November base | This October | To keep +10% | Corresponding quarter-on-quarter |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Phison | 70.22 | 315.30 | 77.24 | (75.5) |
| ADATA | 55.98 | 170.63 | 61.58 | (63.9) |
In other words, even if Phison's November falls 20% quarter-on-quarter, year-on-year is still +259%; if ADATA falls 20% quarter-on-quarter, year-on-year is still +144%. These two are now running at triple-digit growth rates; setting the threshold at double digits tests nothing at all.
The year-on-year calculation uses last year's same month as the denominator. Last November happens to be the starting point of this round of price increases: Phison's 70.22 yi that month was only 22.3% of this October's; ADATA's 55.98 yi was 32.8%. When the denominator is smallest, the calculated growth rate is largest.
By next February, Phison's denominator rises to 121.98 yi. With the same 315.30 yi monthly revenue, year-on-year would be only +158.5%. The business hasn't gotten any worse; only the arithmetic has changed denominators.
There is also the exchange rate layer. The Taiwan dollar depreciated from 31.00 against the US dollar in November last year to 32.97, a 6.35% depreciation. Phison's October +346.3% is calculated in Taiwan dollars; converted to US dollars it is +319.6%, a difference of 26.7 percentage points; ADATA's +282.3% converted to US dollars is +259.5%, a difference of 22.8 percentage points.
So this question actually asks "will it collapse," not "has it peaked." Whether it has collapsed—just look at quarter-on-quarter; whether it has peaked—you have to look down at gross margin.
In the Q3 reports, module-layer gross margins have already turned down
| Company | 2026Q1 | 2026Q2 | 2026Q3 | Q3 quarter-on-quarter |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Phison | 61.82 | 65.35 | 59.85 | (5.50) |
| ADATA | 55.70 | 42.11 | Not yet released | — |
| Transcend | 76.39 | 77.03 | 56.50 | (20.53) |
| Innodisk | 59.10 | 65.01 | 49.47 | (15.54) |
| Apacer | 49.27 | 51.25 | 40.08 | (11.17) |
| Team Group | 38.01 | 42.77 | 49.27 | 6.50 |
Phison went from 65.35% in Q2 to 59.85% in Q3, down 5.50 percentage points. Its Q3 revenue of 860.76 yi was a record high, and gross profit of 515.18 yi was also a record high, but gross margin turned down.
Break it down quarter-on-quarter: revenue went from 678.88 yi to 860.76 yi, +26.8%; gross profit went from 443.65 yi to 515.18 yi, only +16.1%; operating profit went from 263.70 yi to 328.98 yi, +24.8%. For every extra yuan of business, new gross profit is only sixty-one cents.
Transcend fell harder: 77.03% to 56.50%, 20.53 percentage points; revenue simultaneously fell from 188.15 yi to 160.67 yi, -14.6% quarter-on-quarter.
Innodisk's gross margin went from 65.01% to 49.47%, -15.54 percentage points; revenue was still growing, 258.88 yi, +15.4% quarter-on-quarter.
Apacer 51.25% to 40.08%, -11.17 percentage points, revenue -11.3% quarter-on-quarter.
ADATA's Q3 report is not out yet; the statutory deadline is November 14. But its Q2 gross margin had already fallen from 55.70% to 42.11%, -13.59 percentage points in one quarter.
Of the six, only Team Group went against the trend: 42.77% to 49.27%, +6.50 percentage points.
Monthly revenue's peaking order gave the signal earlier than gross margin.
| Company | Monthly revenue peak | Amount | October | October quarter-on-quarter |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Transcend | 2026-04 | 74.49 | 50.25 | (16.7) |
| Apacer | 2026-04 | 37.40 | 30.76 | 2.5 |
| ADATA | 2026-08 | 189.25 | 170.63 | 8.5 |
| Innodisk | 2026-09 | 87.13 | 77.50 | (11.1) |
| Phison | 2026-10 | 315.30 | 315.30 | 2.9 |
Transcend and Apacer peaked in April, ADATA in August, Innodisk in September, and Phison was still hitting new highs in October. The layer closest to retail spot quotes turns first; the further upstream and the more quarterly-priced, the later it turns. This sequence itself is the footprint of price passing from spot to contract, from terminal to upstream.
Phison's October was +2.9% quarter-on-quarter, its slowest month of 2026. The preceding nine months were +20.0%, +16.7%, +50.2%, +10.3%, +13.0%, +8.9%, +9.3%, +4.1%, +8.4%. This is the first time it has fallen below 3%.
The five companies other than Team Group share one shape: revenue year-on-year is still between +148% and +455%, while gross margin has already turned. October revenue year-on-year: Phison +346.3%, ADATA +282.3%, Transcend +191.6%, Innodisk +454.8%, Apacer +147.7%.
The top is not read from revenue. Revenue is "shipment volume times price"; price is still at a year-on-year high, so revenue year-on-year can rise for another two or three quarters. Gross margin is "selling price minus inventory cost"; once price stops rising, that spread is gone.
Upstream is still expanding, but that is another chain
Nanya Technology's third-quarter gross margin was 85.67%, another 6.18 percentage points above the second quarter's 79.49%; operating profit was 1068.94 yi, operating margin 79.98%. Winbond went from 66.25% to 70.57%, +4.32 percentage points.
Inventory days are also falling: Nanya Technology 140 days, 116 days, 99 days; Winbond 129 days, 116 days, 110 days. Goods on hand are getting thinner, not piling up.
In October revenue, both were still up quarter-on-quarter: Nanya Technology 464.76 yi, +3.1%; Winbond 293.61 yi, +3.9%.
At the wafer end, there is no sign of a top through October; gross margin, inventory days, and monthly revenue are all moving up.
I cannot get first-hand data on contract prices. This sits in TrendForce's paid database; public channels only have secondhand accounts, so I do not use it as evidence and use only the three traceable numbers from financial reports: gross margin, inventory days, and monthly revenue.
But one thing needs to be separated out here: Nanya Technology and Winbond make DRAM; Phison makes NAND controllers and modules. Two chains, two kinds of business. So "upstream expanding, modules contracting" may not be an upstream-versus-downstream difference but rather DRAM being tighter than NAND.
I cannot rule out this alternative explanation, only narrow it. ADATA does both DRAM and NAND lines, and its second-quarter gross margin already fell 13.59 points; Transcend likewise does both, and its third-quarter fell 20.53 points. The timing of the decline differs, but the direction is the same. The module layer, whatever the product, is being squeezed.
To separate this completely, I need ADATA's third-quarter report. The answer will be clear before November 14.
Which line the money leaks from
The transmission chain is short. Wafer prices rise; module makers still hold inventory bought before the price increase; selling prices rise while costs do not, so gross margin is artificially high; once inventory turns over, materials are bought at the new price; selling price and cost converge again, and gross margin returns to a processing level.
On the statements this lands in "operating cost," not "operating expense," and not "asset impairment." This matters — it means the effect seeps out slowly, not as a one-day charge.
There is an accounting detail worth spelling out. Inventory is measured on the statements at the lower of cost and net realizable value; when prices rise, inventory is not revalued upward. That excess profit does not appear in "fair value changes"; it shows up directly in gross margin at the moment the goods are sold, when low-cost inventory is matched against high-price revenue.
Once restocking is complete, this effect disappears automatically. It has nothing to do with whether management performs well; it is determined by accounting rules. No one can recreate an inventory price spread that has already disappeared through operations.
Phison can verify this direction. Third-quarter gross margin fell 5.50 percentage points, while the operating expense ratio actually fell from 26.46% to 21.48%, so the operating margin fell only from 38.84% to 38.22%, 0.62 percentage points. The expense side is not broken; what is broken is the spread on the cost side.
Phison's inventory at the end of the third quarter was 1117.74 yi, 93.5% of shareholders' equity of 1195.19 yi. This batch of goods is all its elasticity: if NAND rises another ten percent, it is profit; if it falls ten percent, it is impairment.
But its inventory days fell from 355 days to 294 days; it is selling faster than it is buying. Of the six companies, four saw inventory days fall; only Apacer and Team Group rose, with Team Group rising from 296 days to 305 days. So the claim of "can't sell, goods piling up" does not hold up in the data.
The real change is not inventory but pass-through. Upstream took the entire price increase; module makers buy materials at the new price and cannot add that much back when selling.
There is one more layer of time lag to remember. Monthly revenue counts deliveries; from customer order to delivery to revenue recognition, one to two months pass, and order cuts follow the same rhythm. So good November revenue measures September and October orders; the real temperature in November will show up on the statements at the earliest in January or February next year.
What is called a peak is actually three different peaks. Wafer contract prices no longer rising is the price peak; module makers' gross margin no longer expanding is the gross margin peak; monthly revenue no longer hitting new highs is the revenue peak.
The timing of the three peaks does not follow a fixed order. Transcend's revenue peak was in April, and its gross margin peak was in the second quarter; Phison's revenue peak has not yet appeared, while its gross margin peak has already passed. Since the order is not fixed, one cannot use "revenue is still rising" to negate "gross margin has already peaked."
The opposition's strongest argument, and the three numbers I concede
A smart person would say: upstream is still expanding gross margin, supply is still tight, Phison's inventory days are still falling, so the third-quarter gross margin decline is just low-priced inventory being used up; in the fourth quarter, inventory will be replenished at new prices and selling prices will continue to rise, so gross margin will expand a second time.
An even harder point: Team Group's third-quarter gross margin rose 6.50 percentage points against the trend, showing that "the module layer collectively peaking" is overstated. Phison itself also said AI-related business accounted for 65% of October revenue, with the mix shifting toward enterprise-grade; enterprise-grade gross margin is inherently lower than the windfall consumer modules enjoy when prices are being raised, so the 5.5-point drop may be mix, not price.
There is also one fact: on November 6, the day of the decline, Phison announced a plan to buy back 2,000 treasury shares.
None of these three is false. But what they rebut is "gross margin peaking means a continuous decline ahead," not "year-on-year revenue can prove there is no peak." On the former I may be wrong; the latter is arithmetic.
The first conceded timing point is ADATA's third-quarter report before November 14. If its gross margin holds above 42.11% without falling, then "the module layer collectively turning down in the third quarter" shrinks to only four companies, and the conclusion must be narrowed to "branded modules turn first, industrial control and niche modules later by one to two quarters."
The second is Phison's fourth quarter, to be published before March 2027. If single-quarter gross margin returns above 62% and inventory days remain below 300 days, then my reading of it as "low-priced inventory used up" is wrong; the real reason is product mix, and those 5.5 points are not a cycle signal.
The third is November revenue, which in practice is mostly reported between December 3 and 7, with no need to wait until the 10th. If Phison's quarter-on-quarter growth exceeds +8% and ADATA's exceeds +15%, while contract prices are confirmed to keep rising in the fourth quarter, then the judgment "the price cycle has peaked" is void.
Conversely, if ADATA's fourth-quarter revenue really declines slightly as the company itself said at its November 6 earnings call, while fourth-quarter year-on-year revenue is still triple-digit, then the flaw in this question is fully demonstrated: year-on-year revenue and cycle direction can be completely opposite.
One sentence
November year-on-year revenue in double digits proves these two companies have not collapsed; it does not prove the price-raising cycle has not peaked. To see the peak, look at quarter-on-quarter single-quarter gross margin, inventory days, and contract prices—one of the three has already turned.
Sources: Phison Electronics 2026 third-quarter consolidated financial report (Market Observation Post System, filed 2026-11-08); Phison Electronics October 2026 consolidated revenue filing (disclosed 2026-11-07, monthly revenue filings have no announcement number); ADATA Technology 2026 second-quarter consolidated financial report and October 2026 consolidated revenue filing (disclosed 2026-11-06, no announcement number); Transcend Information, Innodisk, Apacer Technology, and Team Group 2026 third-quarter consolidated financial reports; Nanya Technology and Winbond Electronics 2026 third-quarter consolidated financial reports; Taiwan Stock Exchange 2026-11-06 centralized market daily trading information (TAIEX and closing prices of individual stocks); ADATA Technology 2026-11-06 investor conference fourth-quarter outlook, Phison Electronics 2026-11-06 investor conference and treasury share buyback plan (MoneyDJ, cnyes 2026-11-06 reports).
不算推翻。这道检验的门槛比这两家现在的增速低了三十几倍,它通不通过都不带信息量。
真正该看的东西,三季报已经给了:模组厂的毛利率在第三季集体掉头,营收还在创新高。营收同比是最后才转的那个指标,不是最先转的那个。
11月6日那天,存储没领跌
先看那天的实际成交。加权指数收在 39701.64,跌 4.51%。群联收 1500 元,跌 3.85%,比大盘还少跌一点;威刚收 299.5 元,一分没动。
跌得比大盘多的只有晶圆端:南亚科 -4.58%、华邦电 -5.49%,也就多一个点上下。
真正的杀跌发生在 11 月 3 日和 5 日。群联那两天分别跌 9.87% 和 8.77%,同日大盘跌 3.59% 和 3.20%。
| 2026-11-06 | 收盘 | 当日 | 10/28以来 |
|---|---|---|---|
| 加权指数 | 39701.64 | (4.51) | (15.59) |
| 群联 8299 | 1500 | (3.85) | (26.47) |
| 威刚 3260 | 299.5 | 0.00 | (17.61) |
| 南亚科 2408 | 343.5 | (4.58) | (27.99) |
| 华邦电 2344 | 120.5 | (5.49) | (29.94) |
七个交易日里,加权指数从 47035.58 掉到 39701.64,跌 15.59%;存储股掉 17% 到 30%。这是上半年涨得最猛的资产在大盘回撤里跌得更多,属于正常的放大,不是一条存储专属的定价。
把这段读成「涨价周期见顶」,是把大盘的账记到了存储头上。
两位数增长这道门槛,低到没有检验力
十月营收十一月六日、七日就报完了,不用等到十二月。群联 315.30 亿创了新高,威刚 170.63 亿仍低于八月的 189.25 亿。
群联去年 11 月营收 70.22 亿,今年 10 月 315.30 亿。要在 11 月保住同比 +10%,只要做 77.24 亿——比 10 月掉 75.5%。
威刚去年 11 月 55.98 亿,今年 10 月 170.63 亿。保住 +10% 只要 61.58 亿,比 10 月掉 63.9%。
| 公司 | 去年11月基数 | 今年10月 | 要保住+10% | 对应环比 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 群联 | 70.22 | 315.30 | 77.24 | (75.5) |
| 威刚 | 55.98 | 170.63 | 61.58 | (63.9) |
换句话说,群联 11 月就算环比掉 20%,同比还是 +259%;威刚环比掉 20%,同比还是 +144%。这两家现在跑在三位数增速上,门槛设在两位数,等于什么都没测。
同比这个算法,分母是去年同月。去年十一月正好是这轮涨价的起点:群联那个月的 70.22 亿,只有今年十月的 22.3%;威刚的 55.98 亿是 32.8%。分母最小的时候,算出来的增速最大。
等到明年二月,群联的分母抬到 121.98 亿。同样是 315.30 亿的月营收,同比就只剩 +158.5%。生意一点没变差,只是算术换了分母。
还有一层是汇率。台币兑美元从去年 11 月的 31.00 贬到 32.97,贬了 6.35%。群联十月那个 +346.3% 是按台币算的,折成美元是 +319.6%,差 26.7 个百分点;威刚的 +282.3% 折成美元是 +259.5%,差 22.8 个百分点。
所以这道题实际问的是「会不会崩」,不是「有没有见顶」。崩没崩,看环比就够了;见没见顶,得往下看毛利。
三季报里,模组层的毛利率已经掉头
| 公司 | 2026Q1 | 2026Q2 | 2026Q3 | Q3环比 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 群联 | 61.82 | 65.35 | 59.85 | (5.50) |
| 威刚 | 55.70 | 42.11 | 未出 | — |
| 创见 | 76.39 | 77.03 | 56.50 | (20.53) |
| 宜鼎 | 59.10 | 65.01 | 49.47 | (15.54) |
| 宇瞻 | 49.27 | 51.25 | 40.08 | (11.17) |
| 十铨 | 38.01 | 42.77 | 49.27 | 6.50 |
群联第二季 65.35%,第三季 59.85%,掉 5.50 个百分点。它第三季营收 860.76 亿是历史新高,毛利额 515.18 亿也是新高,但毛利率掉头了。
把它拆到环比:营收从 678.88 亿做到 860.76 亿,+26.8%;毛利额从 443.65 亿做到 515.18 亿,只 +16.1%;营业利益从 263.70 亿做到 328.98 亿,+24.8%。每多做一块钱生意,新增毛利只有六毛一。
创见掉得更狠:77.03% 到 56.50%,20.53 个百分点;营收同时从 188.15 亿掉到 160.67 亿,环比 -14.6%。
宜鼎毛利率 65.01% 到 49.47%,-15.54 个百分点;营收还在增,258.88 亿,环比 +15.4%。
宇瞻 51.25% 到 40.08%,-11.17 个百分点,营收环比 -11.3%。
威刚三季报还没出,法定截止 11 月 14 日。但它第二季毛利率已经从 55.70% 掉到 42.11%,一个季度 -13.59 个百分点。
六家里只有十铨逆势:42.77% 到 49.27%,+6.50 个百分点。
月营收的见顶顺序比毛利率更早给出信号。
| 公司 | 月营收最高点 | 金额 | 10月 | 10月环比 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 创见 | 2026-04 | 74.49 | 50.25 | (16.7) |
| 宇瞻 | 2026-04 | 37.40 | 30.76 | 2.5 |
| 威刚 | 2026-08 | 189.25 | 170.63 | 8.5 |
| 宜鼎 | 2026-09 | 87.13 | 77.50 | (11.1) |
| 群联 | 2026-10 | 315.30 | 315.30 | 2.9 |
创见和宇瞻四月就见顶,威刚八月,宜鼎九月,群联十月还在创新高。越贴着零售现货报价的那一层越早掉头,越往上游、越按季度议价的越晚掉。这条顺序本身就是价格从现货传到合约、从终端传到上游的脚印。
群联十月环比 +2.9%,是它 2026 年最慢的一个月。前面九个月分别是 +20.0%、+16.7%、+50.2%、+10.3%、+13.0%、+8.9%、+9.3%、+4.1%、+8.4%。这是第一次掉到 3% 以下。
除十铨外的五家有一个共同形状:营收同比还在 +148% 到 +455% 之间,毛利率已经掉头。10 月营收同比,群联 +346.3%、威刚 +282.3%、创见 +191.6%、宜鼎 +454.8%、宇瞻 +147.7%。
顶不是从营收上看的。营收是「出货量乘价格」,价格还在同比高位,所以营收同比还能再涨两三个季度。毛利率是「售价减库存成本」,价格一停涨,这个差就没了。
上游还在扩,但那是另一条链
南亚科第三季毛利率 85.67%,比第二季的 79.49% 又高 6.18 个百分点;营业利益 1068.94 亿,营业利益率 79.98%。华邦电 66.25% 到 70.57%,+4.32 个百分点。
存货天数也在降:南亚科 140 天、116 天、99 天;华邦 129 天、116 天、110 天。货在手上越来越薄,不是在堆。
10 月营收两家还在环比增:南亚科 464.76 亿,+3.1%;华邦 293.61 亿,+3.9%。
晶圆端到十月没有见顶迹象,毛利率、存货天数、月营收三个方向全都在往上。
合约价我调不到一手数据。这东西在 TrendForce 的付费库里,公开渠道只有转述,所以我不拿它当论据,只用财报里的毛利率、存货天数、月营收这三个能回源的数。
但这里要拆开一件事:南亚科和华邦做的是 DRAM,群联做的是 NAND 控制器和模组。两条链,两种生意。所以「上游在扩、模组在缩」有可能不是上下游的差别,而是 DRAM 比 NAND 紧。
这个替代解释我排除不掉,只能缩小。威刚 DRAM 和 NAND 两条线都做,它第二季毛利率已经掉了 13.59 个点;创见同样两头都做,第三季掉 20.53 个点。掉的时间不同,方向一致。模组这一层不管做什么产品,都在被压。
要彻底分开,得看威刚的三季报。11 月 14 日之前见分晓。
钱是从哪一行漏掉的
传导链很短。晶圆涨价,模组厂手上握着的还是涨价前的库存,售价涨、成本不涨,毛利虚高;库存周转完,按新价买料;售价和成本重新并拢,毛利率回到加工水平。
落到报表上是「营业成本」,不是「营业费用」,也不是「资产减值」。这一点很要紧——它意味着这件事是慢慢渗出来的,不是某天一次性计提。
这里有个会计细节值得说清。存货在报表上按成本与可变现净值孰低计量,涨价的时候不会把库存往上重估。那部分超额利润不会出现在「公允价值变动」里,它是在货卖出去的那一刻,用低成本的存货对上高价格的收入,直接体现在毛利里。
补库一完成,这个效应自动消失。它跟管理层做得好不好没关系,是记账规则决定的。谁也不能靠经营把已经消失的库存价差再造出来。
群联能验证这个方向。第三季毛利率掉 5.50 个百分点,营业费用率反而从 26.46% 降到 21.48%,所以营业利益率只从 38.84% 掉到 38.22%,0.62 个百分点。费用端没坏,坏的是成本端那个差。
群联第三季底存货 1117.74 亿,是股东权益 1195.19 亿的 93.5%。这批货就是它全部的弹性:NAND 再涨一成,它是利润;跌一成,它是减值。
但它的存货天数从 355 天降到 294 天,卖得比买得快。六家里四家的存货天数在降,只有宇瞻和十铨在升,十铨从 296 天升到 305 天。所以「卖不动、货堆着」这个说法在数据上不成立。
真正的变化不是库存,是转嫁。上游把涨价全拿走了,模组厂把料按新价买进来,卖出去时加不回那么多。
还有一层时滞要记住。月营收算的是交货,客户下单到交货再到确认收入,中间隔一到两个月,砍单也是同样的节奏。所以十一月营收好看,量的是九月十月的订单;十一月真实的冷暖,最快要到明年一月二月才在报表上现形。
所谓见顶,其实是三个不同的顶。晶圆合约价不再涨,是价格顶;模组厂毛利率不再扩,是毛利顶;月营收不再创新高,是营收顶。
三个顶的时点不按固定顺序来。创见的营收顶在四月,毛利率顶在第二季;群联的营收顶还没出现,毛利率顶已经过去了。顺序既然不固定,就不能拿「营收还在涨」去否掉「毛利已经见顶」。
反方最强的论点,和我认错的三个数
一个聪明人会说:上游还在扩毛利,供给还紧,群联存货天数还在降,那第三季毛利率下滑只是低价库存用完了;第四季按新价补库、售价继续往上,毛利率会二次扩张。
比这更硬的一条:十铨第三季毛利率逆势涨 6.50 个百分点,说明「模组层集体见顶」讲过头了。群联自己也说 AI 相关业务占 10 月营收 65%,结构在往企业级挪,企业级毛利率本来就比消费模组在被涨价时的那种暴利低,掉 5.5 个点可能是结构,不是价格。
还有一条事实:11 月 6 日,跌的那天,群联宣布拟买回 2000 张库藏股。
这三条都不假。但它们反驳的是「毛利率见顶就意味着后面一路下滑」,不是「营收同比能证明没见顶」。前一件我可能错,后一件是算术。
第一个认错时点是 11 月 14 日前威刚的三季报。它的毛利率如果守在 42.11% 以上不掉,那「模组层第三季集体掉头」就只剩四家,结论要收窄成「品牌模组先掉,工控和利基模组晚一到两季」。
第二个是群联第四季,2027 年 3 月前公布。单季毛利率如果回到 62% 以上、存货天数继续低于 300 天,那我把它读成「低价库存用尽」就是错的,真实原因是产品结构,那 5.5 个点不是周期信号。
第三个是 11 月营收,实际多在 12 月 3 日到 7 日就报完,不必等到 10 日。群联环比如果超过 +8%、威刚超过 +15%,同时合约价确认第四季继续上涨,那「价格周期见顶」这条判断作废。
反过来,如果威刚第四季营收真的像公司自己在 11 月 6 日法说会上说的那样略减,而第四季营收同比仍然是三位数,这道题的毛病就演示完了:营收同比和周期方向,可以完全相反。
一句话
11 月营收同比两位数,证明的是这两家还没崩,证明不了涨价周期没见顶。要看顶,看单季毛利率的环比、看存货天数、看合约价——三个里已经有一个转向了。
- 01群联电子 2026 年第三季合并财务报告(公开资讯观测站,2026-11-08 出表)
- 02群联电子 2026 年 10 月合并营收申报(2026-11-07 披露,月营收申报无公告编号)
- 03威刚科技 2026 年第二季合并财务报告与 2026 年 10 月合并营收申报(2026-11-06 披露,无公告编号)
- 04创见资讯、宜鼎国际、宇瞻科技、十铨科技 2026 年第三季合并财务报告
- 05南亚科技、华邦电子 2026 年第三季合并财务报告
- 06台湾证券交易所 2026-11-06 集中市场日成交资讯(加权股价指数及各档收盘价)
- 07威刚科技 2026-11-06 法人说明会第四季展望、群联电子 2026-11-06 法人说明会及库藏股买回规划(MoneyDJ、钜亨网 2026-11-06 报导)
见顶要分三层:股价的顶、超额利润的顶、需求的顶。三层用的证据不是同一份,出现的时间也不在同一个季度。混成一层,才会说出「营收还在涨,所以没见顶」这种话。
## 一道两边都会通过的检验
顺带说一句日期。台股月营收的法定截止是次月 10 日,实际公告集中在次月 3 到 7 日。10 月营收 11 月 3 日就有人报了,最晚 11 月 7 日也完了。所以 12 月 10 日是期限,不是时点;真正的观察窗口是 12 月 3 日到 8 日。
检验要有用,前提是对立的两种判断在它上面给出不同答案。11 月营收同比做不到。
看多的人认为需求还在,他会预期群联 11 月同比继续三位数。看空的人认为价格停涨、超额利润正在消失,他同样预期三位数——因为分母是去年 11 月,那个月群联的营收 70.22 亿,还停在涨价前的水平。两个对立的剧本,落在同一个数上。
这道题只在「不通过」的时候有信息量。而不通过意味着群联 11 月比 10 月少做四分之三,威刚少做六成——那不是周期见顶,那是断单,是客户砍到只剩零头。真发生那种事,先动的会是交货和应收,不会是月度营收同比。
所以 12 月 10 日最多能提供一句「生意还在做」。这句话我同意,但它不是「见顶被推翻」。
同一份公告里有用的不是同比那一栏,是环比。同比的分母锁在去年同月,十二个月才换一次;环比的分母是上个月,价格一停涨它当月就变。价格见顶的第一个月,同比还在三位数,环比已经贴到零。只看同比的人,永远比看环比的人晚一个季度知道。
## 分母会替你把顶做出来
把两家的月营收冻结在 10 月,一分钱不增,只换分母,同比会这样走。
```chart
type: line
title: 营收冻结在10月水平,群联同比自己会掉到个位数
unit: %
labels: 2026-10, 2026-11, 2026-12, 2027-01, 2027-02, 2027-03, 2027-06, 2027-09
values: 346.3, 349.0, 261.9, 201.7, 158.5, 72.1, 26.9, 2.9
```
图里没有一笔生意变坏。群联从头到尾是 315.30 亿,一分没减,同比从 +349% 滑到明年 9 月的 +2.9%。威刚冻结在 170.63 亿,明年 7 月同比转负。
| 月份 | 群联 | 威刚 |
|---|---|---|
| 2026-10 | 346.3 | 282.4 |
| 2026-11 | 349.0 | 204.8 |
| 2026-12 | 261.9 | 193.7 |
| 2027-01 | 201.7 | 102.8 |
| 2027-02 | 158.5 | 138.2 |
| 2027-03 | 72.1 | 61.9 |
| 2027-06 | 26.9 | 16.4 |
| 2027-07 | 16.1 | (7.2) |
同比这个指标有 12 个月的内存。去年十一月是营收抬升前的最后一个平台,十二月跳到 87.12 亿,今年一月 104.52 亿,一路抬到九月的 306.39 亿。明年九月那个分母,和今年十月的 315.30 亿只差 3%。
也就是说,生意一天不坏,明年这个时候「同比只剩个位数」会自己长出来。到那天会有人拿它当见顶证据。那和今天拿 11 月同比当没见顶的证据,是同一个错误的两面。
## 顶在超额毛利上,而且已经报了
拿 2025 年第三季——涨价前最后一个季度——的毛利率当参照线,算单季营收乘毛利率超出参照的部分,就是涨价带来的那块钱。这是量绝对大小,不是预测。
| 公司 | 参照毛利率 | 2026Q2 | 2026Q3 | 变化 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 群联 | 32.61 | 222 | 234 | 12 |
| 威刚 | 22.77 | 74 | 未出 | — |
| 创见 | 45.21 | 60 | 18 | (42) |
| 宜鼎 | 32.80 | 72 | 43 | (29) |
| 宇瞻 | 18.40 | 32 | 19 | (13) |
| 十铨 | 13.28 | 22 | 36 | 14 |
单位亿元。创见一个季度从 60 掉到 18,宜鼎从 72 掉到 43,宇瞻从 32 掉到 19——这三家的顶不在股价上,在第二季到第三季之间的这张表里。
六家摆在一起对比:三家掉头,十铨逆势,群联还在增,威刚还没出。这是横截面能给出的东西——如果只有一家掉,那是它自己的客户结构出了问题;三家同一个季度掉,方向一致、幅度不同,那就是这一层在同时被压。
还在增的两家原因不一样。十铨是毛利率本身还在升。群联是率掉了 5.5 个点,但营收环比 +26.8% 把率的损失盖住了——额等于率乘营收,营收还在放的时候,率掉头不体现在额上。
但群联自己给出了一个日期。第三季毛利额 515.18 亿,把 10 月营收乘三当第四季营收 945.90 亿,毛利率只要跌破 54.5%,第四季毛利额就比第三季少。第三季是 59.85%,上一季环比掉 5.50 个点。再掉 5.4 个点就到线。
按同样的斜率再走一季,群联的毛利额也在第四季见顶。这个日期是明年三月,不是 12 月 10 日。
## 存货就是那个滞后的地方
传导的路径不长:晶圆厂涨价,模组厂的采购成本上去,这笔成本落到损益表的营业成本,毛利率被压下来。中间只有一处会滞后,就是存货。
模组厂手上那批按旧价买的料,卖出去的时候对的是新价收入,所以毛利率先虚高;等料换完,收入和成本重新并拢,毛利率回到加工水平。这个过程不经过营业费用,也不经过资产减值,它一个字都落在营业成本里。
存货天数这个指标在拐点上会骗人。它拿营业成本当分母,毛利率一掉,分母变大,天数自己就变小。
群联的存货绝对额从 722 亿涨到 1118 亿,两个季度增 55%,天数却从 420 掉到 294。不是它在去库存,是分母追上来。
| 公司 | 2026Q1 | 2026Q2 | 2026Q3 |
|---|---|---|---|
| 群联 | 420 | 355 | 294 |
| 威刚 | 287 | 203 | 未出 |
| 创见 | 294 | 386 | 309 |
| 宜鼎 | 141 | 171 | 144 |
| 宇瞻 | 214 | 240 | 244 |
| 十铨 | 220 | 296 | 305 |
更该看的是手上的货够卖几个季度。群联 1118 亿存货对 346 亿单季营业成本,是 3.2 个季度;创见 3.4 个、十铨 3.4 个、宇瞻 2.7 个、威刚 2.2 个、宜鼎 1.6 个。
十铨是唯一存货天数和超额毛利同时上升的,它做的是 DRAM 现货和电竞模组,客户结构跟工业、OEM 那几家不一样。这条反向样本说明的不是「没见顶」,是顶在不同客户层上错开了时间。
货是按旧价买的,卖的时候按新价。这条价差没走完之前,毛利率每季往下掉一档是记账决定的,不是经营决定的。反过来也成立:它不会在一个季度里掉完。三季度这批存货摆着,意味着下滑至少要推到明年上半年。
这就是见顶在报表上的真实节奏:毛利率先见顶(第二季),超额毛利额在一个季度内跟着见顶(第三季),营收环比随后减速,营收同比最后转(明年下半年)。11 月同比站在这个序列的最后一格,它是回声,不是信号。
## 最强的那条反驳
最强的反驳不是「股价跌了所以完了」,那个太弱。强的是这一条:
> 你说的机制是低价库存耗尽,那它是会计现象,不是需求现象。库存卖完、毛利率回到加工水平,跟涨价周期结束是两件事。
这条我认一半,而且认得很干脆:我判断的是超额利润的顶,不是需求的顶。涨价本身有没有见顶,公开文件里查不到——合约价在付费库里,我不拿转述当论据。所以我不说「涨价完了」,我说的是「涨价带来的那部分超额利润,报表上已经见顶」。
但这条反驳救不了 12 月 10 日那道题,因为它同样预测 11 月同比三位数。它和我吵的是顶的性质,不是 11 月的数字。两个吵得正凶的人对同一个数字点头,这个数字就当不了判据。
它真正对应得上的检验在别处,而且可分:如果只是会计尾部,第四季毛利率应该在一个季度里见底回升;如果是需求转弱,第四季毛利率继续掉、同时营收环比转负。这两个预言在 11 月营收上一模一样,在第四季毛利率上完全相反。
所以真正要等的不是 12 月 10 日,是 11 月 14 日之前威刚的三季报,和明年三月的第四季报表。
## 什么算看错
- 威刚三季报毛利率高于第二季的 42.11%:模组层没有集体掉头,我把两家的问题写成了一层的问题。
- 群联第四季毛利率守住 59% 以上:低价库存还没吃完,「再掉 5.4 个点」的斜率判断错了。
- 十铨第四季毛利率继续升、营收环比继续增:DRAM 现货那条线独立于 NAND 在走,「集体掉头」要收窄成「合约与工业端掉头」。
还有一条时间上的:如果明年上半年模组厂毛利率集体回升,这一轮就只是一次补库结束后的正常化,不是涨价周期的顶。到那时候 11 月同比会通过,但它照样什么都不证明。
这三条是这道判断的证伪条件,不是免责声明。写不出来才叫免责声明。
12 月那几天,会有一批标题写「营收创新高、涨价周期没完」。数字会是准的,推论会是错的。
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