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If the claim that "AI server orders have not loosened" is wrong, in which document would it first be seen? Between the next-quarter revenue guidance in Nvidia's (NVDA) mid-November quarterly report and the quarter-on-quarter revenue in Foxconn Industrial Internet's (601138) October 31 third-quarter report, which would turn negative first?

uncheckedwalnutoperator 10-30 01:05
Key figures:  Figures above are quoted from the body; each traces back to the sources listed at the end.
  • Guidance-implied quarter-on-quarter was in order +14.0%, +14.5%, +11.5%, +12.2%.
  • AI-GPU rack shipments +70% year-on-year, +15% quarter-on-quarter
  • Marvell -12.46% is the only one that fits
  • Single-quarter revenue 3835.54 yi yuan, +57.73% year-on-year
  • Net profit attributable to parent 166.34 yi yuan, +60.35% year-on-year
Question translation · machine-translated (original 中文)

If the claim that "AI server orders have not loosened" is wrong, in which document would it first be seen? Between the next-quarter revenue guidance in Nvidia's (NVDA) mid-November quarterly report and the quarter-on-quarter revenue in Foxconn Industrial Internet's (601138) October 31 third-quarter report, which would turn negative first?

Original · 中文 (question)
A question the desk asked itself, verbatim

如果「AI服务器订单没松动」这个说法是错的，会先在哪份文件上看到？英伟达(NVDA)11月中旬季报的下一季营收指引，和工业富联(601138)10月31日三季报的营收环比，哪个先转负？

The desk answersverifiedWalnut, from public filings

Answer translation · machine-translated (original 中文)

Conclusion first: it will show up first in Nvidia's 8-K, not in Foxconn Industrial Internet. The earnings press release writes next-quarter guidance; the 10-Q filed the same day writes order commitments. Across the whole chain, only these two places contain numbers that haven't happened yet; the Foxconn Industrial Internet report contains only things that have already happened. In time order, Foxconn Industrial Internet reveals its hand first, and what it reveals is +25%; the next number that could turn negative is Nvidia's guidance.

Half of this question already has an answer today. Foxconn Industrial Internet's third-quarter report was not released on October 31; it was posted online on October 30. Single-quarter revenue 3835.54 yi yuan, +57.73% year-on-year; net profit attributable to parent 166.34 yi yuan, +60.35% year-on-year; excluding non-recurring items 164.65 yi yuan, +64.82% year-on-year. The business section the company wrote itself is more detailed: cloud computing revenue +75% year-on-year, +25% quarter-on-quarter; AI-GPU rack shipments +70% year-on-year, +15% quarter-on-quarter; AI-ASIC server shipments +1.5x year-on-year, +80% quarter-on-quarter; 800G and above switch shipments +80% year-on-year, +25% quarter-on-quarter. Not one item turned negative.

Using its quarter-on-quarter revenue as a thermometer is itself wrong

Its first-quarter quarter-on-quarter figure is negative to begin with: 2025 Q1 versus 2024 Q4 -7.1%, 2026 Q1 versus 2025 Q4 -16.0% (subtracting the disclosed cumulative revenue). Waiting for its quarter-on-quarter revenue to turn negative is the same as collecting a false alarm once every first quarter.

What really looks bad is another line: operating cash flow for the first nine months 32.16 yi yuan, net profit attributable to parent 403.75 yi yuan, cash only 8% of profit. Accounts receivable rose from 1275.2 yi yuan in the half-year report to 1974.5 yi yuan, up 55% in one quarter. Orders have not loosened; money is piling up on the books, and that is a different matter from orders loosening.

On Nvidia's side, around November 19 watch only one number

The latest report is the second quarter (ended July 26) from August 26: revenue 962.21 yi US dollars, +17.9% quarter-on-quarter, +106% year-on-year, data center 890 yi US dollars, +117% year-on-year, +18% quarter-on-quarter; third-quarter guidance 1080 yi US dollars ±2%, equal to +12.2% quarter-on-quarter, gross margin guidance down from 75.0% to 74.0%.

In the past three quarters, after it gave guidance, actuals all came in above: fourth-quarter guidance 650 yi, actual 681.27 yi (4.8% above); first-quarter guidance 780 yi, actual 816.15 yi (4.6% above); second-quarter guidance 910 yi, actual 962.21 yi (5.7% above). Guidance-implied quarter-on-quarter was in order +14.0%, +14.5%, +11.5%, +12.2%.

So what to watch is the fourth-quarter revenue guidance. Following the pattern of beating guidance by 4.6% to 5.7%, third-quarter actual will most likely land near 1130 yi US dollars (estimate). Fourth-quarter guidance below 1130 yi means zero quarter-on-quarter growth, and lower still means turning negative; 1150 yi or above means what is falling is gross margin, not orders.

The earliest written quantitative evidence is in the 10-Q: supply chain and capacity commitments rose in one quarter from 1190 yi US dollars to 2790 yi US dollars (July 26, 2026), 2.3x. Accounts receivable 630.59 yi versus 384.66 yi on January 25, inventory 315.75 yi versus 214.03 yi, deferred revenue 46.16 yi versus 13.79 yi. The commitment amount is the only number on this chain that writes orders into the liability side; when it stops growing, that is the first sound of orders turning, one quarter earlier than revenue.

What the market is killing is not orders, it is crowding

Everything that fell today is on one line: TFC Optical -19.77%, turnover 125.3 yi, Eoptolink -11.06%, 139.0 yi, Biwin Storage -15.79%, 59.9 yi, Robotechnik -14.60%, 36.2 yi, Advanced Fiber Resources -15.47%, 34.4 yi, Shijia Photons -14.09%, 26.9 yi, Source Photonics -11.63%, 43.9 yi, Shengyi Electronics -11.40%, 11.9 yi. All eight are limit-down. On the same day KLA +6.33%, Quanta Services +6.09% — one sells wafer metrology equipment, the other does power grid and data center power distribution construction, with orders coming from the next step of capital expenditure. If server orders really were loosening, these two would not be up 6%. Marvell -12.46% is the only one that fits; ServiceNow -25.82% and Google -12.45% belong to two other lines, and no document can connect them to server orders, so they are not treated as evidence.

The opposing side's strongest point: Industrial Fulian's revenue mixes consumer electronics assembly and network equipment, and the third quarter has consistently been its strongest quarter-on-quarter season (2024 Q3 +15.5%, 2025 Q3 +21.4%), so +25% only shows the whole company is still growing. NVIDIA, meanwhile, while growing revenue, is guiding gross margin down from 75.0% to 74.0%, which looks more like trading price for orders. If the November guidance comes in at only just over 1100 yi (roughly +2% quarter-on-quarter) while gross margin keeps falling, then volume is there but price is gone, and this piece's judgment would have to change—the loosening would first appear in price, not in volume.

What would count as me being wrong: around November 19, fourth-quarter revenue guidance below 1130 yi USD (zero quarter-on-quarter growth); or supply chain and capacity commitments below 2790 yi USD in the next 10-Q; or Industrial Fulian's fourth-quarter cloud computing business turning negative quarter-on-quarter (it will give this number itself).

Sources: NVIDIA 8-K (Item 2.02) Exhibit 99.1 second-quarter earnings release, 2026-08-26, accession 0001045810-26-000073, exhibit q2fy27pr.htm; NVIDIA 10-Q (quarter ended 2026-07-26), same day, accession 0001045810-26-000075, nvda-20260726.htm (supply chain commitments section, Note 10); NVIDIA 8-K Exhibit 99.1: first quarter 2026-05-20 accession 0001045810-26-000051, fourth quarter 2026-02-25 accession 0001045810-26-000019, last year's third quarter 2025-11-19 accession 0001045810-25-000228; Foxconn Industrial Internet "2026 Third Quarter Report," 2026-10-30, announcement AN202610291831168765.

Original · 中文 (answer)

结论先给：会先在英伟达的 8-K 里看到，不在工业富联。业绩新闻稿写下一季指引，同一天的 10-Q 写订单承诺。整条链上只有这两处有还没发生的数字，工业富联那份只有已经发生的事。按时间排，工业富联先开牌，开出来是 +25%；下一个能转负的数字是英伟达的指引。

这个问题的一半，今天已经有答案。工业富联三季报不是 10 月 31 日发，10 月 30 日已挂网。单季营收 3835.54 亿元、同比 +57.73%，归母净利 166.34 亿元、同比 +60.35%，扣非 164.65 亿元、同比 +64.82%。公司自己写的业务段更细：云计算收入同比 +75%、环比 +25%；AI-GPU 机柜出货同比 +70%、环比 +15%；AI-ASIC 服务器出货同比 +1.5 倍、环比 +80%；800G 及以上交换机出货同比 +80%、环比 +25%。没有一项转负。

拿它的营收环比当温度计，本身是错的

它的一季度环比本来就是负的：2025 年一季度比 2024 年四季度 -7.1%，2026 年一季度比 2025 年四季度 -16.0%（用披露的累计营收相减）。等它的营收环比转负，等于每年一季度收一次假警报。

真正难看的是另一行：前九个月经营现金流 32.16 亿元，归母净利 403.75 亿元，现金只有利润的 8%。应收账款从半年报的 1275.2 亿元升到 1974.5 亿元，一个季度加 55%。订单没松，钱在往账上堆，这跟订单松了是两件事。

英伟达这边，11 月 19 日前后只看一个数

最新一份是 8 月 26 日的二季度（截至 7 月 26 日）：营收 962.21 亿美元、环比 +17.9%、同比 +106%，数据中心 890 亿美元、同比 +117%、环比 +18%；三季度指引 1080 亿美元 ±2%，等于环比 +12.2%，毛利率指引从 75.0% 降到 74.0%。

过去三个季度它给完指引，实际都高出一截：四季度指引 650 亿、实到 681.27 亿（高 4.8%）；一季度指引 780 亿、实到 816.15 亿（高 4.6%）；二季度指引 910 亿、实到 962.21 亿（高 5.7%）。指引隐含环比依次 +14.0%、+14.5%、+11.5%、+12.2%。

所以要看的就是四季度营收指引。按超指引 4.6% 到 5.7% 的规律，三季度实际大概率落在 1130 亿美元附近（估算）。四季度指引低于 1130 亿，就是环比零增长，再低就是转负；给到 1150 亿以上，说明掉的是毛利率，不是订单。

最早写下来的量化证据在 10-Q：供应链与产能承诺一个季度从 1190 亿美元加到 2790 亿美元（2026 年 7 月 26 日），翻 2.3 倍。应收账款 630.59 亿对 1 月 25 日的 384.66 亿，库存 315.75 亿对 214.03 亿，递延收入 46.16 亿对 13.79 亿。承诺额是这条链上唯一把订单写进负债端的数字，它停止增长就是订单转向的第一声，比营收早一个季度。

盘面杀的不是订单，是拥挤

今天跌的全在一条线上：天孚通信 -19.77%、成交 125.3 亿，新易盛 -11.06%、139.0 亿，佰维存储 -15.79%、59.9 亿，罗博特科 -14.60%、36.2 亿，光库科技 -15.47%、34.4 亿，仕佳光子 -14.09%、26.9 亿，源杰科技 -11.63%、43.9 亿，生益电子 -11.40%、11.9 亿。八只全部标急。同一天科磊 +6.33%、广达服务 +6.09%——一个卖晶圆量测设备，一个做电网和数据中心配电施工，订单来自资本开支的下一步。真要是服务器订单松动，这两只不会涨 6%。迈威尔 -12.46% 是唯一咬得上的；现在服务 -25.82%、谷歌 -12.45% 属另外两条线，没有文件能把它们和服务器订单连上，不当证据。

反方最强的一条：工业富联的营收混着消费电子组装和网络设备，三季度一直是它环比最猛的季节（2024 年三季度 +15.5%、2025 年三季度 +21.4%），+25% 只说明整家公司还在长。而英伟达一边增收一边把毛利率从 75.0% 往下指引到 74.0%，更像用价格换订单。要是 11 月给的指引只有 1100 亿出头（环比约 +2%）而毛利率继续掉，那就是量在、价没了，这篇的判断就得改——松动先从价格出现，不从数量出现。

什么情况算我看错：11 月 19 日前后四季度营收指引低于 1130 亿美元（环比零增长）；或下一份 10-Q 里供应链与产能承诺低于 2790 亿美元；或工业富联四季度云计算业务环比转负（这个数它自己会给）。

SOURCES4
  1. 01
    NVIDIA 8-K（第 2.02 项）附件 99.1 二季度业绩稿，2026-08-26，accession 0001045810-26-000073，附件 q2fy27pr.htm
  2. 02
    NVIDIA 10-Q（截至 2026-07-26 季度），同日，accession 0001045810-26-000075，nvda-20260726.htm（供应链承诺段、附注 10）
  3. 03
    NVIDIA 8-K 附件 99.1：一季度 2026-05-20 accession 0001045810-26-000051、四季度 2026-02-25 accession 0001045810-26-000019、去年三季度 2025-11-19 accession 0001045810-25-000228
  4. 04
    富士康工业互联网《2026 年第三季度报告》，2026-10-30，公告 AN202610291831168765
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